Curse

SOT · Jul 23, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Larys

The idea that it isn't my guild to change is incorrect. I'm expected to participate and add to the general whole. It most certainly is my guild to change, both by my presence and participation as an officer or member. Otherwise, what's the point? If I wanted to be lead by just one ideology, I'd go play an offline RP'ing game. However, in my specific case, a few officers have contributed just as much as the leader has towards the cape, guild name, sigil and hall (even the name of the hall), and they don't deserve to have to work for all of that again just because the leader has stopped logging in.

That is absurd, but then again, as your describe it, as many hands were involved in making it shape into its form, then yeah, I can understand your reasoning.

The problem however, is not every, and in many case, the majority of people, do what you did. They sign on, and then after reading your suggestion, feel some misguided sense of entitlement because "they exist". Someone founds a guild to build on, and if there is any real coherent thought behind the formation of a guild, there is a specific vision and intention in their minds. Letting some jo bob ruddymctoenail come along and have a shit fit, boot them out, and take over is nothing short of "tyranical", and would cause far more issues than it would solve.

yowie · Jul 24, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I disagree with post

Please remember guild leaders do have a life both inside and outside the game.

I have a small guild, and have helped all the members many times with missions, quests, money and items as well. As well as recieved help I might add.
I am active as often as I can be (too much at moment).
Sometimes I have to go and play without helping anyone for a while though, I go offline in status, why? - because I have characters to develope as well, skills to learn and my own personal enjoyment to attend to, and sometimes just want to sit there and watch the trade channels.
This is fine imho as the guild look after each other when needed if I am not there. And also has developed more involvement from members and better team spirit.

It has always been made clear from the start, if you dont like the guild then leave, if you leave on good terms then you can always come back.

Hell I may even want to leave one day!

But under no circumstances should ANYONE be able to take my guild away. I paid for the guild, the cape, the hall etc etc, I set it up and did the groud work as well as 2 of the officers.

Should I be able to come up to you character and take your super maxed uber items away from you because you have not used them for a month?....HELL NO!!!!!

If you are unhappy then leave and go make your own damn guild I say. And let people play how they need to when they need to.

Cannot be more simple than that.

quanzong · Jul 24, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Drakron

The question is not that.

Problem is many people started Guild Wars, played for about 1-2 months and got bored and left, some of those people started a guild and the guild is still somewhat active but without the leader.

But without the leader they cannot do some things, such as getting a new guildhall or change the cape design.

The current solution is abandon the guild and start a new but that means having to buy new capes and a new guildhall and I think that is the issue with some people that rather simply continue in the guild and simply have a new leader.

Problem is that its not a simple solution, if the guild leader payed everything its not fair to demote him or remove him ... a

Your not suppose to change Guild Capes every week or so, suppose to make people recoginize you. Why spend 49K to buy guild hall, you already have one.

Drakron · Jul 24, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

You joking right?

I could have a Sissy Boy next to me and I would recognize by its cape, I would recognize by the sS tag (that is unique).

No guild is going to be recognized by their cape alone since there are a lot of capes that look exactly the same.

quanzong · Jul 24, 2005, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Capes make them unique though, NOT the tag. My tag is God and someone called my guild Guardians of Destiny, lol we are the followers of the messiah.

If you have same cape as someone else, YOUR guild leader didnt put enough time into making one, I have not seen ANYONE with our cape.

Eder · Jul 24, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Tags are not unique.

There seems to be a lot of people who don't agree with the idea of allowing officers to kick a guild leader from the guild (myself included), but there have been few suggestions on how to allow people to fix guilds that have an absent leader and inactive officers.

The most common notion seems to be that people who don't want to be in the temporarily leaderless guild should "just leave and create a new guild with their own money." I think that is not satisfactory at all - it's potentially forcing people to forfeit a lot of hard work they might've put into the guild (just like kicking the absent leader would be).

People seem to be against the idea of kicking/demoting the leader mostly due to the (very likely) possibility that this would be abused by power hungry backstabbing officers who want to take over the spoils of other people's hard work... but the topic here is not simply "kicking the leader: for or against?"... the question is: how could the game allow officers to manage a guild (kicking inactive people so they can continue recruiting, etc) while the leader is absent?

Age · Jul 24, 2005, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Ok.Lets say this you know you are going to be absent for awhile so you promote an officer to be leader while you are gone or temporally.When you get back and tell that officer to put you back as leader and he refuses then what do you do to get your leaderships back?

Eder · Jul 24, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

There's nothing you can do in that case... which is another reason why something should be changed about the way it works right now.

I've thought of a much simpler solution today... what if officers could kick/demote officers that haven't been online in over X weeks?

They'd still not be able to kick the leader (no matter how long he's been absent), and they'd still not be able to kick/demote fellow active officers... but they could at least do something about inactive officers (which seems to be the only really serious issue to me).

quanzong · Jul 27, 2005, 01:03 PM // 13:03

One thing to say, if your leader is a good leader they will leave the guild when he feels like the guild is diing or he is quitting, now if he is a bad leader and doesnt leave, just create another guild, get even with him, buy guild hall for another guild, make your guild loose 5 times to another guild and you'll be in the top 1000 rating.

tolokoph · Jul 27, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

this is riduculous if you ask me.

If you wanna run your own guild how you see fit.. get the money and do it.

You wanna do it by riding on the hard work of someone else? lol.. quit complaining.

its simple enough to just start a new guild and get capes an such..

The tools are there.. its called disband.. you goto town and create a guild then you can add all the people you want..

Makes no sense for anet to come in and reprogram stuff just so you can boot some guild leader who you might not like.. isn't around or any other reason

Eder · Jul 27, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Gotta love quoting yourself.

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Originally Posted by Eder

People seem to be against the idea of kicking/demoting the leader mostly due to the (very likely) possibility that this would be abused by power hungry backstabbing officers who want to take over the spoils of other people's hard work... but the topic here is not simply "kicking the leader: for or against?"... the question is: how could the game allow officers to manage a guild (kicking inactive people so they can continue recruiting, etc) while the leader is absent?

Seriously, Tolokoph... why bother replying to a thread if you don't understand / don't care to inform yourself what is the problem that people are asking for a solution to?

JoDiamonds · Jul 27, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

1. It would be useful for someone beside the guild leader to be able to grant leader-level abilities to officers. I don't think anyone can argue that this would be inherently bad.

2. Ousting someone from leadership doesn't need to happen for the guild to function. If someone is inactive for months at a time, make someone else "Temporary Guild Leader", but they lose the position as soon as the original leader logs back on. Or something like that -- the details are just that.

tolokoph · Jul 27, 2005, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by Eder

Gotta love quoting yourself.

Seriously, Tolokoph... why bother replying to a thread if you don't understand / don't care to inform yourself what is the problem that people are asking for a solution to?

yeah, you must really think yer important to quote yerself.

1. An officer can invite people
2. An officer can kick people
3. An officer can promote people

wheres the problem? lol.. Just as I said.. if you have a problem with guild leader being gone.. take yer own hard earned cash.. get a guild/cape/hall and invite to your hearts content.. otherwise don't worry about it.

edit:.. some of you act as if a guild is a democracy.. it's not.. a guild is normally 1 persons creation ingame. If he wants to go for a long period thats his right as its creator. It's your right as a member to leave and do your own thing.

There IS no PROBLEM.. just as has been suggested.. if someone wants to take over temporary leader status, take a vote and do it that way.

You don't need to press 'G' and see your name as Guild Leader. Put the members on your friends list so if GL does come on and Disband HIS guild sometime.. you have all members there and alts.. if when they come on.

Just looks like to me there are some lazy arses that want the cape/hall without wanting to do any work..

ahhh man.. we can't quit and start a new guild;x.. that would mean actually getting our own hall.. jeez.. i dont wanna put in that kinda work;x..

apophis · Jul 27, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

I think the idea of an "auto promotion" is a good one. The leader would be 'demoted' to officer status and the most active, longest lived officer would take over.

Jfyi...my old guild was dead for 2 months, then after a game update I was "auto promoted" to guild leader.

johnnylange · Jul 27, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Solution: Get over it and join another guild.

JoDiamonds · Jul 27, 2005, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by apophis

Jfyi...my old guild was dead for 2 months, then after a game update I was "auto promoted" to guild leader.

To be clear: This was in Guild Wars? The old guild leader definitely didn't make you leader?

If it's already happening, then this thread is REALLY out of date. =)

NeVerMinD · Aug 02, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Leaders ? Officers ? Whohoooo !! I will answer something but would never discuss the TOPIC

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Originally Posted by SOT

Circumstances, circumstances, circumstances

Some people work 50 hours a week or MORE. Some have kids. Some ARE kids and have kid-based responsibilities like softball, school, anything. Some people may have not paid a bill and their baroadband is off. Some people may be DEAD and no one knows them enough personally to sort that out. Some people may have multiple accounts/guilds and focus on another one more than their main one. Some also with characters (this happens to me all the time with guilders, they make some new build and then are unreachable, setting their status to offline but I see them run past me, LOL). Some people burn out and take a break. Some people get another new game and take a break. SOme people have their accounts stolen, so the guild master you usually like speaking to and is usually on may not be on because some addtard took their account and is sitting on it for some reason (many come to mind, like blatant irritation and nothing more).

It's not so much about a leader's lack of passion or interest as perhaps their life is in the downer specturm. People have offline lives. I love games but it is easy for us all to forget their are bills to pay, and mouths to feed, and you get the idea...I think...

- long time havent read anything like this - u got it and i absolutely feel same

AND MANY MANY MANY SHOULD THINK A BIT ABOUT LIFE !
Mentioning all - the good the bad the ugly - StaY HumaN -

ReminD liFe - i got stuck here for 3 months, no Work no Girlfriend

... only GuildwarS - joining and leaving some Guilds all the time.
I am German, 24, i played niCe hours with Guys/Girls from 12 !! to over 70 !!
After these i stay noW GUILDLESS - out of moments i get invited for a GvG -
So i am free 4 Life + free to play with the ones i want to.
I hate to deBate anything noT necessary - here or RL - and i haTe to waste my time - with myself or stupid Teammates or LaZy Leaders -

My TiP
a) Get 8 PROS - open a guilD - A sigl is Peanutz - PlaY -
b) Get a PvP/GvG Guild and go rumBle -
c) Relax and enjoy the RPG - U DONT need ANY GUILD for SUXESS -

-and what ever ever ever happens -

ACT here like REAL -- U will get FRIENDLY people, GOOD Leaders, and HappY times - Outside, surely - if u miss a Friend over a month .. u would CALL him - VISIT him - GET TEAMMATES with same STATUS 4 U.

Sorry for Crazy posting - but i hear lots of strangeness coming uP - in an MMPORG / RPG / GvG based game - sounds horrible to me.
Its Based on Teams - Its Based on COMMUNICATION -

Eder · Aug 02, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by tolokoph

yeah, you must really think yer important to quote yerself.

Well, you seem to think you're smarter than everyone else who's posted to this thread, and that's not the case either.

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Originally Posted by tolokoph

1. An officer can invite people
2. An officer can kick people
3. An officer can promote people

wheres the problem? lol..

Lol wtf omgggggggg kid...
The problem is that officers can't kick officers. If the leader is absent, nobody can kick officers that haven't logged on in 5 months or that keep spamming guild chat with bad racist jokes. Should everyone else have to stand this or spend their hard earned gold to fix it by making a new guild?

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Originally Posted by tolokoph

There IS no PROBLEM..

Yes, everyone else is just being silly.

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Originally Posted by tolokoph

Just looks like to me there are some lazy arses that want the cape/hall without wanting to do any work.

Yes, I realize it seems that way to you... but that's mainly because you have reading comprehension problems.

Snuk the Great · Aug 02, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Well it looks to me that the only real arguments against this idea is that leaders are afraid to get kicked and that leaders don't want to loose there money. Then the solution is quite simple.

At first. I agree at the unanimous part. All officers should agree. Now if it takes an officer longer then a week to make there vote he could be considered absent and his vote will not count anymore.
And what if one officer is being annoying? Well apply the unananimous part here as well. If all officers except the one your kicking wants to demote him then he will be devoted.

So this solves out first problem. The second one was the cash. Well simply put the sigil back in the leaders inventory, give him back his cash for the cape and guild itself and let the new leader pay for it.

If anyone knows another problem, then try to solve it instead of blowing the whole deal of. Compromise for once

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Zelnox · Aug 25, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

T_T my guild leader left for another game, but refused to promote anyone else..... We are stuck.